Eating meat, and wheat.

Stefan · 2014-11-27 23:57:36

What exactly is Vata?

Pepper · 2014-11-28 15:23:53

Basically vata is one of the three principle constitutions, or biological (body) types in the Indian holistic healing system of ayurveda. They each represent elements. Vata represents air and space. Pitta represents fire. Kapha represents earth and water. Many just say, "I am a vata", or, "I'm a pitta-kapha". There are also six taste energies that all foods have, making them cooling or warming: Sweet, salty, sour, bitter, pungent, and astringent. Many foods contain multiple tastes. For me, having excessive vata means I am balanced by sweet, salty, sour, and milky, warming, oily (like avocados, olives) food energies. (I think that's probably why neither one of my jolly round kapha buddies can stomach milk or dairy well at all.) Also heating foods change the energy, which is why a raw food diet isn't for me. I need my dark leafy greens cooked.

I have Aspergers, and i, like many "Aspies", am a very logical thinker. One thing I initially liked about the ayurveda (ayur= life veda=knowledge) concept is that it deals with ENERGY; of food, of elements, of tastes, of rituals and intentuons, etc. And since everything is energy, this made total sense to me. Also, i liked the natural explanation of different physical builds on people. It always seemed so illogical to me for all women in our society to strive for a thin body. My kapha friends could starve themselves and never be thin. Plus I know plenty of unhealthy skinny people.

So, there's a detailed test you take to determine your type. I looked for quite a while before finding a test that I felt wasn't corrupted too much from the original ayurvedic science. The test I took was very detailed. It included questions about characteristics like hair color/ texture, fingernails, eye color & eyelash length, complexion, disposition, temperment, etc.

Ayurveda is way more intricate than the bs u get from the internet. But for me i just wanted some logical insight into wellness without all the contradictory bs of the medical industry (it was logical to me that if they actually HEALED people, they'd be out of jobs).

I got the test from an old book I found when I lived in CA, called AYURVEDA, by Maya Tivari. She's prolly corrupt, cuz she is very popular in India and has received praise from Parliament. But realizing that darksiders disclose much useful info can be a very powerful tool. For me I just take what works and leave the rest.

Jakub · 2014-11-28 16:52:45

Hello, I just wanted to say u guys are really helpfull and i think im "vata" type.
I was going throught depression last months and my mood went even to suicidal but in same time i was making changes in my diet and im better now.i throwed out meat,gmo,gluten etc. so now i know the next step for me is balance of healthy food.Now its lot easier.

Pepper · 2014-11-28 17:44:28

If this helps, there is a pretty good (meaning very good compared to what else is out there online) ayurveda dosha quiz on naturesformulary. com. Gets pretty detailed. Ayurveda is a very complex science. Let the quiz determine your dosha. And approach it, as with all things, in a CHILL way. Following anything to closely in this perverse universe leads to bad stuff in my opinion. Good luck, and glad you're doing better!

Loohan · 2014-11-28 19:43:15

Pepper wrote:

I got the test from an old book I found when I lived in CA, called AYURVEDA, by Maya Tivari. She's prolly corrupt, cuz she is very popular in India and has received praise from Parliament. But realizing that darksiders disclose much useful info can be a very powerful tool. For me I just take what works and leave the rest.

Satanist lizard.
http://www.wiseearth.com/on-maya-tiwari/

Pepper · 2014-11-28 21:13:03

Heh heh figures. Just like good ol' Mother Theresa and Gandhi boo hoo hoo

Pepper · 2014-11-29 15:25:09

Jakub wrote:

i think im "vata" type.
I was going throught depression last months and my mood went even to suicidal but in same time i was making changes in my diet and im better now.

There's a pretty good dosha (body type) quiz on naturesformulary. com. Ayuveda is a very complex science. There are many factors to consider. Let a quiz help to determine your dosha. And just take what works and have fun with it. Glad you're feeling better!

Stefan · 2014-11-30 13:23:15

Pepper wrote:

Jakub wrote:
i think im "vata" type.
I was going throught depression last months and my mood went even to suicidal but in same time i was making changes in my diet and im better now.
There's a pretty good dosha (body type) quiz on naturesformulary. com. Ayuveda is a very complex science. There are many factors to consider. Let a quiz help to determine your dosha. And just take what works and have fun with it. Glad you're feeling better!

I took the test and I had an even amount of all 3 but with a bit more KAPHA. However that test seems a bit too general and not accurate, because I would describe myself as Vata Dosha after reading the descriptions.

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Pepper · 2014-11-30 15:06:44

Stefan wrote:

I took the test and I had an even amount of all 3 but with a bit more KAPHA. However that test seems a bit too general

Yes. The quiz I took was much longer and clearer. Unfortunately, that quiz you took is better than most any other ones I have seen on the internet. Most are a joke. I took that one just to see how I'd fare. Got almost the same dosha determination, but weighed much more towards pitta than I actually am (I am actually Vata-pitta, not pitta-vata... BIG difference, according to ayurveda, when determining what foods u should eat freely versus sparingly!) If you or anyone is at all interested or curious about Ayurveda and just taking a quiz for the heck of it, look around for various ones. You may find one that resonates with you better.
A few things to note about the quiz: If even just ONE word applies to you, select it. If multiple words from multiple categories fit, feel free to select all that apply. When answering, go by how you've been your ENTIRE life. This one is vital. For example, from childhood up until young adulthood when I became a college athlete, I was very muscular and had a lot more fat on me. I also ate totally different foods, especially homogenized, pasteurized, hormoned-up milk and tons of meat. Now I'm straight up skinny and appear a totally different body type. But my skin, hair, facial structure, etc. stayed the same of course, all factors in determining dosha. So I really had to think back to how EASILY or not easily I bulked up, and retained the muscle. (I was surprised, recalling how much harder and longer I had to work to attain it, to be "on top" athletically (as mind-controlled as it was haha). I was so driven that I never ever noticed these things until digressing WAY later in life. To get the most accurate answers for these quizzes sometimes it takes some SERIOUS remembering, especially if you're older than like 40 or have had a lot of unconventional life experiences. It's also suggested to have a female family member or old friend who's known u your whole life also take YOUR quiz (meaning for you, not for them) separately, to help alleviate biases.
There are many sources available for us (even amongst the mis-info agents)to find ways of discovering what foods our bodies best fespond to. Ayurveda is just another one. Cheers!

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Loohan · 2014-12-06 20:42:56

I got strange vibe off him. Demons in right side aura.
Found this image:

4 shapeshifters and 3 humans in that pic.
I suspect he's sincere but hires lizards who covertly attack him. Presumably they don't taint the products...

assistearth · 2014-12-30 15:28:15

Hi, looks like you have many replies, but thought I would put in my two cents. As a sensitive, I can feel the fear and pain from an animal who has been killed, therefore I do not eat meat or dairy. As far as nutrition, if you decide to go the plant based route, you will open yourself up to many new foods (in order to get nutrients and calories) and I personally ended up much healthier. You will need to supplement B12 which is a microorganism found in soil. Dairy is some nasty stuff really and causes health problems; its meant for calves. If you do decide to eat meat, I would strongly recommend wild game only. Local hunters sometimes sell their extra, or learn to hunt/fish. All animals raised for profit/slaughter are generally sick and full of fear and misery.

Pepper · 2015-01-01 10:55:36

Yes. I agree. If you try, but u do not feel right without meat (or in my case raw milk), I say listen to your own body over other people. I believe people tend to state opinion as fact, especially if something does not work for them specifically. I gave up raw milk (and ghee) for a time a few years ago. Had all kinds of problems. For me, the test is to experience things to see for myself. While living in Southern CA for over ten years, I encountered many who preach how bad all meat or all dairy is. Fact is, I am never sick, and can physically out-perform co-workers half my age. Also, it is illegal in some states for businesses to sell raw milk. Why? Maybe because it's a nice threat to the medical industry ha! I'm gonna go have a big glass right now.

Loohan · 2015-01-01 17:02:45

For me, pasteurized milk is probably about the most disease-inducing "food". When i got on a macrobiotic (very flawed) diet 40 years ago i stopped being sickly. I think it was mainly kicking commercial milk that did it. And back then, that milk was much less toxic than what's in the stores today.

I do well on raw milk, in fact in recent years have largely subsisted on it. Of course i only drink milk from A2 cows:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic … -milk.aspx
But recently i realized that it had much more lactose than i thought. I thought i was on a low-carb diet.

http://www.slowfood.com/slowcheese/eng/12/many-breeds
"Cow's milk is 86 to 89 percent water, 3 to 3.7 percent protein, 3.4 to 4.4 percent fat and 4.8 to 5.2 percent sugar (lactose)."
So there is more sugar than protein or fat in whole milk.

So i have cut back on milk, and primarily use it to make KEFIR. If you ferment milk to make fermented cheeses, yoghurt, or kefir, it drastically reduces the lactose content because the microorganisms prefer to eat sugar.

Kefir is a super-food that i find very fortifying. Some tips i learned:
The kefir starter is a slippery item that resembles cauliflower in appearance. At first i was told to put it in a jar and add milk, and then fish out the starter before drinking. And repeat process.
However, after a while i realized that the old kefir works fine as a starter for the next batch. So now i keep my "cauliflower" in the fridge as a backup, occasionally rinsing it and feeding it fresh milk (like every month or 2).
I pour about 1" of old starter in a qt mason jar, fill mostly full with milk, and let sit overnight or longer. I try to catch it at the stage where it's a silky, cohesive mass and not too sour. One can overdose on lactic acid, though it is unlikely one would want to drink too much of an acid brew. I have read not to drink more than a qt a day.
The (acidifying) lactic acid bacteria are stimulated by warmth, whereas the beneficial fungal strains tolerate cooler temps, hence i try to keep it around 65-70 F, and tend to have trouble making good kefir in the summer. If it does get a bit "over" it will curdle and water will visibly separate. Usually it will taste more sour, too, but oddly, sometimes it will get less sour. If it is too sour, one can add milk to taste. Also it is good in salad dressings.

When i visit my mom and run out of real milk, i make kefir with commercial organic ultra-pasteurized milk, because i figure much of that dead stuff gets eaten by the culture and converted into sustaining food.

Pepper · 2015-01-02 00:15:24

Loohan wrote:

Some tips i learned:
The kefir starter is a slippery item that resembles cauliflower in appearance. At first i was told to put it in a jar and add milk, and then fish out the starter before drinking. And repeat process.
However, after a while i realized that the old kefir works fine as a starter for the next batch. So now i keep my "cauliflower" in the fridge as a backup, occasionally rinsing it and feeding it fresh milk (like every month or 2).
I pour about 1" of old starter in a qt mason jar, fill mostly full with milk, and let sit overnight or longer. I try to catch it at the stage where it's a silky, cohesive mass and not too sour.

So, wait, I don't have to already have the grains ( or the starter)?? I can just buy some organic kefir, add the milk, leave it out like the normal process calls for, and this is good enough?? I read this somewhere, and that'll be great if it works well enough to suffice. I don't have a starter, and heard you NEED to get the actual kefir grains or at least get a starter (definitely can't find ANYONE with grains). I also heard you can only use the starter about 7 times or so. But maybe that's bs from someone who doesn't know to feed it with milk periodically.
P.S. You are very fortunate to have access to A2 milk! Guernsey cows, eh? I am envious. I believe my raw milk comes from Jersey cows, which are at least A2 dominant, usually about two-thirds A2 genetics. I'll TAKE it over Holstein milk any day.

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Pepper · 2015-01-02 12:15:05

inquisitor wrote:

I can't handle ghee, but regular butter is fine.
Much tastier and lighter on my system when I make my own butter from cream rather than store-bought butter.

I really love real good organic ghee; tons better than even homemade butter. I use it very sparingly though. Like half the amount of ghee or even less, as you would use butter because it is extremely rich. I have had sub-standard ghee and it is not good to me. Hard to find the good stuff in the U.S. though. I have little fridge space with 3 housemates, so it's nice that it doesn't need to be refrigerated. Also really good ghee does not separate at higher room temperatures. (For anyone who doesn't know, ghee is clarified butter, meaning all the milk solids, casein, etc. are removed. It's like butter extract. Strong stuff!) It's really tricky to make at home though, IMO. When I have more space I want to try to perfect it.

Going to make kefir tonight. If it goes well I want to make my own labne (kefir cheese). My Israeli friend turned me on to it. So much better than regular yogurt to me. I sometimes add a bit of raw honey. Yum!

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